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Is it me or does it communicate directly with providers sometimes ?

No - I don't believe there is any path for direct communication between the resource providers and language providers.  All communication is to/from the engine.

Thanks Luke, I'm asking because of the dynamic-provider implementation inside nodejs/cmd

so basically provider rpc logic inside the nodejs lang host

Ahh - yes - dynamic providers are a very special case here. <@U84HBHXS8> can talk all about that!

I was thinking about how to call Pulumi apply from a program

Idea = browser =&gt; buttonEvent =&gt; server =&gt; pulumi.up(my pulumi stuffz)

<@UC9MTPN8K> Definitely possible!  We've seen several folks build Docker images around `pulumi` which can be used to automate things like this. In fact, easy to use something like `cloud.Task` to kick off the `pulumi up` invocation.

yea,  but i was hoping to do this natively

and not shell out, or invoke it as a scheduled job

but i guess shelling out isnt the end of days

The Hashicorps do this in terraform enterprise by mounting the docker socket *ewwww*

and calling a container that runs the TF bin

but should I just be able to spawn a go routine use a mutex and run an up?

im thinking about how I can use pulumi to schedule across stacks

<https://blog.edgemesh.com/dockerception-part-1-76db5a583f46?gi=6368b2afd326>

They do it by calling the compose CLI,  I'm just wondering if it's the cleanest way

You could in theory build something that statically links in the `<http://github.com/pulumi/pulumi/pkg|github.com/pulumi/pulumi/pkg>` pieces.  But probably going to be easier to just run `pulumi` CLI commands.  Either way - `pulumi` spawns several subprocesses for various resource providers and language hosts.

Currently no (except for `pulumi output`). But definitely want to add it. PRs welcome as well!

<@UC9MTPN8K> That isn’t how Terraform Enterprise works

jen20, ahhh thats what this guy Todd told me

From hashicorp in a call... :disappointed:

./never trust the people, only zeee c0des

:slightly_smiling_face: I wrote that code back in the day, so unless it’s been reworked to be made a lot worse it doesnt mount the docker socket

Yea,  I remember you working there, and then you went to Joyent.... I got excited for some Nomad in the GZ

lol,  Did you do the original? or the one that runs 22 docker containers?