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    brave-motorcycle-67487

    1 week ago
    I created my first project with
    pulumi new aws-python
    . After looking at it, I realized I wanted to use the native python bindings for this, so I rm -red the directory and attempted to recreate it with
    pulumi new aws-native-python
    . This isn't letting me do so though because the old project still exists in pulumi.com's state. I'm not sure how to delete it though because there doesn't seem to be any way to do that from the web ui, and I don't have any of the configuration files that told the cli about the project and stack. (There are no resources in it - I never ran
    pulumi up
    - so it's just the project itself that I need to delete)
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    delightful-salesclerk-16161

    1 week ago
    pulumi destroy
    first to destroy all the resources
    pulumi stack rm
    to remove the stack
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    brave-motorcycle-67487

    1 week ago
    right, I can't because I don't have the files that let the cli identify the project:
    ┌─[jamesph@Jamess-MBP] - [~/Documents/winfrastructure] - [Mon Sep 12, 04:06]
    └─[$]> pulumi stack ls
    error: could not detect current project: no Pulumi.yaml project file found (searching upwards from /Users/jamesph/Documents/winfrastructure). If you have not created a project yet, use `pulumi new` to do so: no project file found
    ┌─[jamesph@Jamess-MBP] - [~/Documents/winfrastructure] - [Mon Sep 12, 04:06]
    └─[$]> pulumi stack rm staging
    error: If you're using the --stack flag, pass the fully qualified name (org/project/stack): no Pulumi.yaml project file found (searching upwards from /Users/jamesph/Documents/winfrastructure). If you have not created a project yet, use `pulumi new` to do so: no project file found
    (or at least, I can't figure out how to)
    ah hah! I could do it by passing a full name there:
    pulumi stack rm xiongchiamiov/aws/staging
    . And that cleaned up the project as well.
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    little-cartoon-10569

    1 week ago
    You can also do this through the UI, if a stack was created (as opposed to just the project). It's on the settings page. Also FYI, you don't need to do this. aws and aws-native can live in the same project, you just need to add the extra dependencies and create another provider.
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    brave-motorcycle-67487

    1 week ago
    yeah, I was about to just add it, and then I figured since I hadn't really started anything yet it would be easier to just start over. I forgot that there was a remote state created 🙂
    AH! I see where it is in the UI - I hadn't clicked into the stack at all, only into the project, because the project was what I wanted to delete
    been a while since I've dealt with a new tool, so I'm exercising those learning muscles
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    little-cartoon-10569

    1 week ago
    Projects are extremely lightweight in Pulumi state. They're no more than a namespace, really.
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    brave-motorcycle-67487

    1 week ago
    I see
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    stocky-restaurant-98004

    1 week ago
    FYI, the "native" in AWS Native doesn't refer to bindings, per se. It means that the provider uses the native API of the cloud provider, as opposed to using a Terraform provider to help formulate the API request. In AWS' case, the native provider works off the new AWS CloudControl API. However, not all resources in AWS have been implemented yet by the CloudControl team, so you'll have to fall back to the Classic provider for some resources. Mixing providers like this in a Pulumi program is idiomatic and I recommend folks check out AWS Native once they're comfortable with the Classic Provider.
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    brave-motorcycle-67487

    1 week ago
    I understood the terraform vs not part, but my thought was that -native was the path going forward and so I should start there and only use the classic shims if I need to. Why do you recommend doing classic instead?
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    stocky-restaurant-98004

    1 week ago
    I only recommend sticking with Classic for total beginners just so they don't get confused with multiple providers. Sounds like that shouldn't be a problem for you. Please do let us know how it goes with AWS Native!
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    brave-motorcycle-67487

    1 week ago
    Mostly ok so far! There are I think three things I've encountered, which I'm not entirely clear yet which are expected and which are not:1. There's some name weirdness in some of the docs. So for instance on https://www.pulumi.com/registry/packages/aws-native/api-docs/ecs/taskdefinition/#container_definitions_python , it says it takes a list of
    TaskDefinitionContainerDefinition Args
    but down on the page it says
    TaskDefinitionContainerDefinition
    (without "Args"). The former appears to be the correct name. I've seen a few of those and so have been assuming Args just gets added somewhere or whatever. 2. The naming for ECS Task Definitions appears to be ignored and so I opened a bug for that yesterday: https://github.com/pulumi/pulumi-aws-native/issues/619 3. And then this thing about errors with immutable fields that I'm trying to figure out (which I don't know if that's a Native problem or a me problem): https://pulumi-community.slack.com/archives/CRH5ENVDX/p1663090433029689?thread_ts=1663090433.029689&cid=CRH5ENVDX Is the issue tracker the best place to put things that I encounter and think might be bugs? Or is there a better place to discuss them and verify they're truly issues? Since this is brand new stuff I'm building, I'm happy to work off the cutting edge and help flush out issues, whatever's most helpful
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    stocky-restaurant-98004

    1 week ago
    Wrong docs are a bug - file and issue for those, and yes - GH issues are the right place. We have a triage process that should get those issues looked at (if not fixed) within a few days. I think that “invalid patch update” looks like a bug from afar. I think it should be triggering a recreate and it's not. (Possibly due to incorrect metadata upstream - not sure.)
    Also, thanks for being so engaged and providing such valuable feedback!
    Actually let me check myself: If all you did was create that ECS resource in Native, run your program, change an attribute, and run it again, that's a bug. If you're converting existing resources from classic to native, I need more context.